
OVER the course of one week in 2018, Lisa Piccirillo cracked a mathematical problem that had gone unsolved for half a century. Posed by legendary mathematician John Conway in 1970, it concerns a complex geometrical object known as the Conway knot. While an ordinary overhand knot 鈥 the kind you would tie at the end of a thread 鈥 sees the string cross over itself three times, the Conway knot has 11 crossings. What Conway wanted to know is whether his knot can be formed by cutting a slice out of a more complex four-dimensional knot 鈥 or, as mathematicians put it, is it 鈥渟lice鈥?
Piccirillo discovered that it isn鈥檛. Her breakthrough came after finding a back door into the problem that could help mathematicians understand other four-dimensional objects. Currently a post-doctoral mathematician at Brandeis University in Waltham, Massachusetts, solving the Conway knot 鈥 along with her other research 鈥 has seen her offered a tenure-track position at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. New 杏吧原创 spoke to her about the week she spent on the problem, her approach to mathematics and why it is time we stopped talking about geniuses.
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Chelsea Whyte: How did you first become interested in mathematics?
Lisa Piccirillo: As a kid, I always liked maths and I was good at it in school. I鈥檓 from quite a rural area in Maine, and people said 鈥渋f you like maths, you can become an engineer鈥. So I thought that鈥檚 what you do with maths, become an engineer. I went to a lot of day camps for engineering and made a lot of bridges out of popsicle sticks, and found out that I didn鈥檛 want to be an engineer. After that, I thought I didn鈥檛 want to do maths.
But then I took calculus in college because I had to, and I had a professor that encouraged me to take the next class. By then, I had started getting hooked.
What was it that lit the spark?
Part of what got me hooked was learning that a field called topology, the study of shapes, existed. It鈥檚 somehow a little more free-flowing, and I really liked the imaginative aspect of asking: 鈥淲hat can these shapes do?鈥 It turns out that these complicated shapes can do some weird stuff, and understanding the realm of possibilities was a big draw.
How did you end up making maths your career?
The decision to go to graduate school was a difficult one. I still had this idea that I think a lot of people have, which is that the only way to be a successful mathematician is to be a genius, and I鈥檓 certainly not anything like that. So I thought: 鈥淲hy bother? I鈥檓 never going to be that good.鈥
There鈥檚 a strong stereotype of what people who do maths are like 鈥 introverted, nerdy, probably male, probably dead 鈥 and I was none of those things. I was very worried that I would have to give up other aspects of myself to be a maths robot and I didn鈥檛 want to do that. I felt that tension very acutely in my undergraduate programme, but in graduate school, I learned that this tension isn鈥檛 real. Mathematicians are interesting humans and none of them are geniuses.
Before I ask you about the Conway knot problem, can you tell me about knots more generally?
Let me back up and make a couple of definitions. I like to think about taking an extension cord out of the basement where it鈥檚 been for a while. It鈥檚 probably a hot mess, and if we just plug the ends together, it will still be a hot mess. We say a knot is 鈥渢rivial鈥 if it isn鈥檛 a hot mess 鈥 that is to say, if it鈥檚 possible to untangle it without unplugging the ends. In classical knot theory, trivial means you could move it around to look like the rim of a dinner plate. Mathematicians like to say 鈥渋t bounds a disc鈥. What makes things confusing is that while the knot has to live in three dimensions, the disc it bounds doesn鈥檛 have to; it could live in four dimensions, for example.
When you say four dimensions, I think of the three dimensions of space, plus time. Is that too literal?
Yes, that鈥檚 too literal. We just have four independent directions to work with. It doesn鈥檛 really matter to us what they correspond to in the real world.
When you are solving these problems, do you picture four dimensions in your head?
I鈥檓 only ever thinking about 3D spaces because that鈥檚 all I can visualise, just like everybody else. Let me give you an example. Imagine that you and I existed in a 2D universe 鈥 so a flat plane like a sheet of paper 鈥 and a hollow beach ball came through our world. If only the very bottom of the ball made contact with our world, from our perspective, it would look like a point.

But if more of the ball entered our 2D universe, it would look like a circle. As it kept passing through, we would see larger and larger circles, and then smaller circles, and then a point at the top of the ball and then nothing. You have point, circles, point again. Of course, in 3D space, it is far easier to just picture an entire beach ball instead of cutting it up into 2D slices. But when I want to think about an object in 4D space, I can鈥檛 just picture it, so we use this trick of cutting it up into 3D slices.
Do you slice things up in the same way when you think about knots?
Yes. If a knot in 3D space bounds a disc in 4D space, we say it is 鈥渟lice鈥. The knot lives where we do, in three dimensions, but the disc is allowed to use another space. So the Conway knot problem is just: does this particular knot with 11 crossings bound a disc in four dimensions? Is it 鈥渟lice鈥? It鈥檚 yes or no.
How did you first hear about Conway鈥檚 knot?
It was in a talk at a conference at the end of July 2018. The speaker mentioned that it was still an open problem. I thought that was ridiculous: it鈥檚 2018, we know a lot about sliceness, whether this 11-crossing knot is slice shouldn鈥檛 be an open question. The ridiculousness of the problem is what made me think about it.
But I really didn鈥檛 know very much about it. I thought it was just quite esoteric. It鈥檚 an open problem, but I thought, 鈥減robably the reason it鈥檚 open is mostly because nobody鈥檚 tried very hard鈥.
Now that you have solved it, do you still think that?
No, apparently that鈥檚 not true. It took a specific tool that I happened to have been developing.
One way that mathematicians describe four-dimensional shapes 鈥 what we call 4-manifolds 鈥 is by making knots in 3D space and using the knots as sort of instructions for how to build them.
All knots have something called a trace, which is the manifold you can build from that knot. I knew that if you have two knots with the same trace, they鈥檙e either both slice or both not slice. That has been known by mathematicians for a long time. This fact was very present in my mind, because I use it for my study of knot traces.
I knew that if I could build a second knot that shared a trace with the Conway knot and that happened to be slice, then I鈥檇 have solved the problem. While that鈥檚 a technical thing to do, it just takes a bit of calculation.
鈥淵ou do maths because you love it on the days when you don鈥檛 prove anything鈥
How long did it take you?
I learned about the problem on a Saturday and I certainly knew the answer by the next Saturday. And I thought: 鈥淣obody鈥檚 going to care about this.鈥 I was only working in the evenings. I wasn鈥檛 tearing my hair out and burning the midnight oil.
My idea worked right away. I guess it was overlooked because people weren鈥檛 really studying traces and this calculation isn鈥檛 completely trivial 鈥 it uses tools that I鈥檇 developed in other work. But I think anyone who had my technical knowledge could have solved it quickly too.
Did you know how big a deal this was when you had solved it?
No, I thought it would go in a very low-tier journal, or perhaps I wouldn鈥檛 try to publish it at all.
Did you go into the field of maths to solve big problems like this?
In maths, 100 per cent of the days, basically you won鈥檛 solve anything. So you have to learn to be okay with that and still enjoy what you鈥檙e doing, even though today you won鈥檛 answer anything, and tomorrow you also won鈥檛 answer anything and the same thing will be true for the rest of your life except for a few good days. You have to be doing maths because you love it on the days when you didn鈥檛 prove anything. The good days are so far apart. It doesn鈥檛 matter how good they are. If that were the reason I was in it, I know I wouldn鈥檛 make it.

That reminds me of the conceptual artist John Baldessari, whose advice to young artists was: 鈥淵ou have to be possessed, which you can鈥檛 will.鈥
Yes. It鈥檚 more fun when you鈥檙e possessed too.
Forgive me for asking this, but why does any of this matter?
The reason a lot of mathematicians 鈥 myself included 鈥 care about sliceness is because it helps us understand 4D spaces. One of the major challenges in 4D topology is distinguishing between simple 4D spaces. Generally, this is pretty hard because there aren鈥檛 many tools available. Traces provide a tool.
If you have two different 4D spaces, and both of them have some 3D space on the boundary, it鈥檚 very possible that a knot in 3D space can bound to a disc in one 4D space but not the other. That can help us understand differences between two 4D spaces in a way that would otherwise be very complicated.
What will you be working on next?
I鈥檓 still very interested in 4-manifolds and in using sliceness to understand them better. It鈥檚 also true that this trick I used for the Conway knot doesn鈥檛 work on some other, more complicated knots. The reason is because it isn鈥檛 always possible to build a trace 鈥 sometimes it鈥檚 provably impossible or we just don鈥檛 know how to do it.
I鈥檓 trying to understand how to apply this type of argument more broadly to sliceness problems. More concretely, it turns out that sometimes, for some special knots, I can go home and build you another knot that shows a trace, but a computer can鈥檛. Why not? It鈥檚 because we don鈥檛 know the rules of how we do it ourselves. If the maths gods hand me a knot and ask me to build a trace, I may get lucky, but I don鈥檛 know if I could tell you how I got there. And I鈥檇 like to understand why.